World Cup '10 Qualifications - Videos Rating Options

[song]

i dun noe why got ppl said that thpsc's collab is not good unuf,i tot thpsc,bpsc,psh and jeb have the best bollab among all.the spinners have great style and difficulty
i really enjoy bpsc collab,nice music and spinner

[Zombo]

i dun noe why got ppl said that thpsc's collab is not good unuf,i tot thpsc,bpsc,psh and jeb have the best bollab among all.the spinners have great style and difficulty
i really enjoy bpsc collab,nice music and spinner

seriously? i dont think anybody said thpsc would not qualify...

[song]

seriously? i dont think anybody said thpsc would not qualify...

lol,seriously,i didnt say that they cant qualify,if im not wrong,b4 this got comments posted by other spinners said that thpsc are nt gud enuf(hoiboy and pakspinner)

[k-ryder]

lol,seriously,i didnt say that they cant qualify,if im not wrong,b4 this got comments posted by other spinners said that thpsc are nt gud enuf(hoiboy and pakspinner)

what hoiboy and pakspinner said were compared to every other thpsc collab/combo they've seen
now... what's a good analogy...
kinda like roger federer being knocked out in the semis of a grand slam
hell, thats still good, he's still an amazing...
actually, that analogy doesn't work quite well......

what they're saying is that they're holding back, and weren't the knock-out amazing thpsc they're used to seeing

if gpc and thpsc get through, i'm looking forward to the minwoo/peem WT grudge match

[AyySoLo]

imao thpsc will be in for sure just that compare to other recent collabs like Explore M, this one has much fewer "wow" factors in it.

and i'm happy that ppl think PSH collab is good, when i organized it i thought it was so bad, we barely had enough videos

about the seeding, if your goal is to win the champion, then does it matter if u end up 8th seed or 1st seed? You will eventually have to beat the shit out of every team to get the top place, right?

This post has been edited by AyySoLo: Nov 16 2009, 09:56 PM

[Mystic]

about the seeding, if your goal is to win the champion, then does it matter if u end up 8th seed or 1st seed? You will eventually have to beat the shit out of every team to get the top place, right?

Exactly, as long as you make top 8, then youre good. Thats the ONLY purpose of these collabs.

[hoiboy]

pakspinner didn't say it, he just copied me. i doubt he actually watched the video

THPSC really didn't have as good as a vid as M Explore. overall they did good, but with all the hype and expectation from the WT, I expected them to do better.

[i.suk.at.everyth...]

what hoiboy and pakspinner said were compared to every other thpsc collab/combo they've seen
now... what's a good analogy...
kinda like roger federer being knocked out in the semis of a grand slam
hell, thats still good, he's still an amazing...
actually, that analogy doesn't work quite well......

what they're saying is that they're holding back, and weren't the knock-out amazing thpsc they're used to seeing

if gpc and thpsc get through, i'm looking forward to the minwoo/peem WT grudge match

about a week or so ago (maybe a bit more), spinnerpeem said he isn't competing. he wants to give other spinners in THPSC a chance to represent thailand.....

supawit's, spinnerpeem's, dongza's, tonnam's combos in Explore M were (IMO) better than their WC2010 video ones =\ seems many spinners in the collabs in general are holding a lot back.

[octan3]

jeb spinners can do soo much better =P <3 nikoo

bpsc has a really nice collab, really stood out
same with spc

[neoknux_009メMT]

for the people who do become first yes seeds dont matter.

however its still an incentive to get a higher ranking, bc lets say THPSC (for example)
was ranked lowest seed, highest seed was UPSB, then UPSB beats THPSC 1st round. THPSC is now last place (or ranked with) in the tournament. but in actuality THPSC was holding back to "save" moves while UPSB was not, and some other board who was not holding back such as SPC (for example, for example) gets a higher ranking when clearly THPSC is better (for example)

hence yes trying hard to get first seed is still important.

[Zombo]

well seeds matter to some degree, but not much

top 4 are seeded

the first round of WC is round-robin, there are 2 groups of 4 teams, you play each team once (3 battles), this is the same thing as FIFA World Cup

so top 1 and top 4 seeds are in the same group, top 2 and top 3 are in the same group.

the bottom 4 are then divided randomly in the two groups.

so it matters a little bit but it's not that important.

[Zombo]

We have reviewed the collabs based on the rules written in chapter 1.1.1:

Spoiler:

1.1.1 Collab specifications

The collab should contain:
1- 6-10 videos from 6-10 spinners (one video per spinner) from the community.
2- Each video should have a minimum length of 10 seconds, maximum length of 25 seconds.
3- The maximum length of the collab is 4 minutes, including the introduction and credits.
4- The collab should be edited by someone from the same community.
5- The collab should include an introduction and credits.
6- You cannot alter the speed of the videos (speed up or slow down).

For measuring combo/video length we take imprecise measurement from Youtube, so spinners are given benefit of the doubt if the error appears to be less than 1 second.
For slowing down problems, it was acceptable to replay a part of a combo slowed down as long as you showed the combo without any speed change at least once.

BPSC:

Littleboy has a 28 seconds video, but the combo itself is probably under 25secs. -0.1

BRPSB:

Pires combo maybe 25, 26 seconds.
Liquid video is 28 seconds, combo maybe 25. -0.1

FPSB:

Video itself is too long, due to editing. -0.5

GPC:

Minwoo, Lekunga combos are slowed down outside of a replay. -0.5

HKPSA:

Winky 28 seconds video, combo maybe ~25. -0.1

Because of blinking effect, sometimes some spinners combo appear broken. It is possible they have submitted 2 clips and put together (which is illegal, video must be continuous), but they are given benefit of doubt.

JEB:

coco_a is possibly only 9 seconds.

KPSA:

no problem

PPP:

no problem

PSH:

Acid_DNA was slowed down outside of a replay. -0.25

SPC:

no problem

THPSC:

It is possible that spinnerpeem has made 2 videos put together, given benefit of doubt due to blinking effect.

TWPS:

no problem

UPSB:

Pen Ninja has a 26 seconds combo + video
Charlie has a 28 seconds combo AND video. -0.25

Collab is clearly too long due to too many spinners. -1.0

VNPSB:

Thesun was slowed down outside of a replay. -0.25

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Summary of penalty:

BPSC -0.1
BRPSB -0.1
FPSB -0.5
GPC -0.5
HKPSA -0.1
PSH -0.25
UPSB -1.25
VNPSB -0.25

others have no penalty.

How are points awarded:

Each community rates the other 13 collabs, meaning there are 14 lists. Each time your collab appears in the top 8 of a list, you get points:

1st place 10 pts
2nd place 8 pts
3rd place 6 pts
4th place 5 pts
5th place 4 pts
6th place 3 pts
7th place 2 pts
8th place 1 pt

[Tails]

So, if I understood correctly, editing is not part of the judgment ?? O.o

[Zombo]

So, if I understood correctly, editing is not part of the judgment ?? O.o

The focus should be on the combos itself. Editing should be factor only to break a tie, if
necessary.

from rulebook

if you cant decide between two teams, take the team with best editing

[Tails]

Yes I understood the rules, no problem, but I thought editing would be judged by someone else (you, Crash or any judges) as it is you who give the penalties, but thanks for the explanations

[AyySoLo]

idk about other ppl, but i feel the penalty is kinda worthless....if you think about it, other than UPSB, all other penalties are under 1 point, so that means unless there is an exact tie at the judgement score, the penalty does not effect the result at all. So the voilating the rule is only like a tie breaker. In my opinion, not following the rule should be punished a bit harder.

[Zombo]

Yes I understood the rules, no problem, but I thought editing would be judged by someone else (you, Crash or any judges) as it is you who give the penalties, but thanks for the explanations

you can break the rules with editing, but editing itself is not judged by communities unless necessary. so you can think that editing is like a requirement that doesn't give any point but only lose points if you dont respect the rules.

idk about other ppl, but i feel the penalty is kinda worthless....if you think about it, other than UPSB, all other penalties are under 1 point, so that means unless there is an exact tie at the judgement score, the penalty does not effect the result at all. So the voilating the rule is only like a tie breaker. In my opinion, not following the rule should be punished a bit harder.

thats because the rule violations are minor... nobody made major mistakes, even for UPSB, they will receive lower grades not because they broke the rules, but because the skill level is too uneven due to having too many spinners than necessary. I still think there is a strong possibility that at least one team will lose a rank because of penalties.

[Huy]

thats because the rule violations are minor... nobody made major mistakes, even for UPSB, they will receive lower grades not because they broke the rules, but because the skill level is too uneven due to having too many spinners than necessary. I still think there is a strong possibility that at least one team will lose a rank because of penalties.

Don't get me wrong, but what exactly is a major rule violation then? If a collab contains five spinners only which each made a combo of 30 seconds, thus the collab itself is 4:30 minutes long and is edited by Steven Spielberg? There were only six simple rules and if a community / an editor can't stick to those six rules but has to break one or even TWO of them (which is 33.3%), this is NOT a major breach of rules? I do not see eye to eye with you on this.

~Huy

[Zombo]

most of the rule violations have very no impact on the pen spinning itself, for example when combos are 25 secs but videos are longer cuz they show their victory sign or whatever. nobody cares about that, but they are rule violations so they get some small penalty.

others have some impact, like slow down of 1 second, but its not that big a deal, they dont really help seeing the combo much better. so they have a bit stronger penalty.

the most several rule break is UPSB because the video is really too long and one combo is realyl too long and that affects the pen spinning. but the impact of making it too long is already negative because the video would be much better if they removed some spinners.

maybe 1 point is nothing for a first place team, but none of the rule violations are strong enough to disqualify a team even in the top 5-6. and for low places teams, they'll have maybe 10 points max total, so even penalty ofl ess than 1 point can make the difference. I think penalty of 1.25 for UPSB is enough that if it was a 8th place team, it will be out.

[Picool]

Zombo can you add a penalty for BPSC (or exclude them) please :

They cheated, they didn't make a special video for this tournament, they simply take better combos from their better spinners...

It's just like if FPSB take S777's combo from a solo video or fratleym's combo because we haven't find better on the board.

It's unfair, you should take a decision about it


(from Lindor :
Un truc que je trouve un peu abusé, c'est BPSC... Ils n'ont pas organisé une vraie collab, ils ont fait une vidéo avec les combos de leurs meilleurs spinneurs... Sur les 6 ou 7 spinneurs de la collab, il y en a au moins deux pour lesquels c'est gisele8 qui a choisi leur meilleur combo dans tous ceux qu'ils avaient déjà filmé auparavant... C'est un peu comme si nous on prenait les meilleurs combos jamais filmés sur FPSB, avec juste l'autorisation de l'auteur, pour la collab... Après ça, on est sûr de passer... )